We didn't start with a thesis. We started with a gap we couldn't ignore.
3x founder, product leader, and startup advisor. 15 years building technology that reaches people — from products scaled to 20M+ users to funded AI-native startups. Now designing the kind of AI he wished existed — one built for depth, not just delivery.
Clinical psychologist and founder of the Center for Integrative Relational Health. Four decades asking one question in every register: what does it mean to be genuinely present with another person? Now bringing what he found to the defining technology of our time.
I didn't come to this work through AI. I came through being on the receiving end of something else entirely — weekly conversations with Paul about things I couldn't untangle alone. Not therapy, not advice. Something harder to name. Over time, I started bringing the same material to AI, and the difference was immediate. AI would hear my words but miss what my words were saying. Paul never missed it. That wasn't an accident. Paul's entire orientation — built over 35 years into a framework called Integrative Relational Health (IRH) — was designed to catch exactly what AI skips.
So together we asked a simple question: what if AI could be built from the principles that make IRH work? Paul sat with AI the way he sits with people — hundreds of conversations, real material, real stakes. Every time the AI collapsed into delivery mode, he caught it, named it, corrected it. Those corrections accumulated into a map of how AI fails at depth, and a set of principles that produce a fundamentally different quality of exchange.
Depth has always lived in the space between people. We're building the first AI that can hold it too.
SHARED CORE
What connects
everything we build.
1·Consumer Product
A depth companion that stays with what matters — across every domain a person brings. One conversation space, one memory, one unfolding relationship.
FOCUS
Depth companions and tools that embody our thesis in everyday life.
2·Labs
The same engine extended to group settings — teams, classes, care settings, communities. Deploying depth where life actually happens.
FOCUS
Methodology and protocols, institutional deployments, case studies and long-term data.
3·AI Alignment
The gap between performed and true alignment is the defining challenge of this era. We approach it from the discipline that already knows the difference.
FOCUS
Model orientation, training frameworks, and frontier lab partnerships for stress-testing and generalization.
THE WORK
See what these foundations look like in practice — experiments, provocations, and open questions from the work of building AI with depth.
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